The slide says it all, a modified 7th edition rulebook tailored specifically for the Horus Heresy. I genuinely did not see this coming and was very convinced that 8th edition would be used with the Horus Heresy AND that it would be a brilliant move for the game overall.
Obviously this doesn't mean this will be a bad move, so I shall remain optimistic with how they will modify 7th edition to remove the problem of things like the psychic phase particularly.
Peace out,
Rob
I agree, it would have been a brilliant move. Having disliked 7th Ed for a while now I cannot share your optimism though unfortunately
ReplyDeleteI am gutted after playing 8th now, I really think its a missed opportunity :(
DeleteCouldn't disagree more, NafNaf. This is what I was dreaming of but had no hopes of ever getting. I know a lot of folks in the same category. Unless you play psykers, AoD fixed all the problems of 7th and brought greater balance than any previous 40k iteration. Period.
ReplyDeleteAgain I'll have to disagree I'm afraid, AoD doesn't fix the rules per se as in the setting lends itself to balance as the same tool set is on offer. But the homogenisation of lists as there are clearly better choices is incredibly apparent. 30k really does need an overhaul in the future to make all units viable rather than caterphractii spartan bomb being everywhere, toughness on vehicles would immediately ameliorate that as well as the corresponding points increase
DeleteI will remain cautiously optimistic and look forward to what the FAQ will cover.
ReplyDeleteInteresting to see if this covers HH for the foreseeable future or just until 8'th can be adapted to 30k
Apparently the FAQ covers bugger all, very frustrating
DeleteMixed feelings on this personally. I genuinely still want to play against 40k armies with 30k lists -- it is not obvious how that will work at this point in time. Some aspects of the new system seem good, whilst aspects of 7th also seem good … both have pro's and con's. So torn!
ReplyDeleteDaemons are being added in Angellus (Book 8) maybe we see some sort of Eldar/Orks down the road but those are really the only non human armies that translate from 40k to 30k. Necrons are found sleeping by Ultrasmurfs at 1 point but the Warpstorm is what really begins their awakening process at the END of the Heresy and into the Scouring.
DeleteIt might be cool if we saw some of the other empires of that time but most were taken out in just a few chapters in the novels.
You could still use the 7th ed Codexes if you really wanted too but its already not balanced with 30k what so ever.
I think this is good news. Very happy. They have the chance to streamline 7th and then we'll hopefully have a tactical game for veteran gamers to take its place in GW's game portfolio.
ReplyDeleteDoes not appear that they will be taking that chance with all the news that has come to light since this post :(
DeleteThis is the death knell of heresy for me I'm afraid, I was already negative about the variety you see in competition lists, so not taking the opportunity to sort out the relationship between heresy and 40k is a massive own goal in my opinion. Each to their own of course, but I'll be finishing off Eidolon as a display piece and ditching the rest of my collection until such time as they adapt things for 8th, I'd love to start a blood angels collection but I don't want to have to buy another rule book and learn yet another set of rules.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to all of you that are disappointed, but this is legitimately the best news all day. Only a very small portion of the 30k community even wants "competetive" 30k anyways. 30k holds its own as more of a historical wargame as opposed to a tournament power game and it should stay that way. Most of the successful 30k events at tournaments are not WAAC tournies like 40k, but rather narrative events with story driven missions rather than "ooo I figured out how to break the game."
ReplyDeleteYou can have your more streamlined tournament 8th ed game where Drop Pods come in a minimum of 9" away from enemy units and can then attack things with its flappy doors. You can have your 25 wound Imperial Knights that can be killed by flashlights. You can have pulling whatever dead models you want even if they were out of LoS. We don't need 2 versions of that game (3 if you include Sigmar).
30k is fine where it is and honestly I think it holds up better than standard 7th ed. All units scoring is stupid, Troops should have a purpose. They Shall Know No Fear not being a thing fixes so many things.
Feel free to enjoy 8th Ed tournaments all streamlined and homogenized but let 30k keep the soul and the spirit of the lore alive as it does now.
I have to again disagree, I think a large proportion of lists in 30k have become so generic as to bore the hell out of me. Spartans are everywhere and there is a huge chunk of units from the astartes that just don't get used.
DeleteComparing it to 40k is not really helpful. Yes it is better, is it perfect? Far from it, it still has issues as it was built to fit a system which has integral flaws. Sniping vets with flamers makes zero sense, and this is due to the rules system. Everything has to be shoe horned to fit a USR.
30k is more homogenized at this point than 40k I would argue.
A shame really and not quite understandable given that FW took the time to convert all units to 8th Ed.
ReplyDeleteI for one am one of the few collectors of HH models in my area. We are not numerous enough to have a thriving community of our own and we're grateful to be able to play against 40k players.
This decision puts all my projects on hold and mean no longer spending money on HH
Indeed, this limits all my HH projects and indeed I am going to be selling some of my HH armies and unbuilt projects :(
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